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It's not true that views which put all wellbeing on equal footing imply that Monoculture is better than Variety. Monoculture would be a version of the experience machine, where everyone's relationships are 100% fake (since they're all qualitative duplicates of the best-off person in Variety, that means that none of the other people from Variety exist, so all their experiences of having a relationship with those other people must be fake). On either a preference or objective list theory of wellbeing, this is going to leave them much worse-off than the people in Variety. On the other hand, if you try to modify the scenario so that people in Monoculture aren't radically deceived about everything in their entire lives, then there's no longer any reason to think they'll be happier than the average person in Variety - most likely, they will be much less happy, since they live in a much more boring world and don't meet anyone who's different from them, so they get no interesting social interactions. I think this latter case is what leads to the intuition that a diverse world is much better than a homogenous one - it's because it's better for the individual people in the world for it to be diverse, not because the distribution of types of wellbeing matters for its own sake.

I also think the saturation view has its own version of the Repugnant Conclusion, which is much, much worse than the original version. You have to accept that an arbitrarily small increase of wellbeing for a single person could outweigh an arbitrarily large increase of wellbeing for arbitrarily many people as long as the latter was a type of wellbeing that had been experienced many times already and the former wasn't. On this view, it would be better to give one person a single M&M, rather than to give infinitely many people lives of perfect bliss (who currently live lives not worth living) as long as no one has ever eaten an M&M or something similar to it before, while many people have already had lives of perfect bliss of the same sort you're going to give to the infinity people. So we still end up with a situation where it could be better for lots of people to live lives barely worth living (or even not worth living at all), rather than everyone living lives of perfect bliss, except that now the tradeoff is not a massively larger population, but a single person experiencing the tiniest of pleasures. If negative wellbeing is handled the same way as positive wellbeing, you can get even worse implications - it could be good to take infinitely many people living lives of perfect eternal bliss, and instead send them to lives of eternal torment, all so that a single person can eat an M&M, so long as the space in the wellbeing landscape for the particular kinds of bliss and torment in question are already saturated by other people.

It also doesn't solve infinite ethics, but makes it much worse. On the Saturation view, if infinitely many people have already had some kind of experience, then its marginal value goes to zero. So in an infinite world, nothing would matter at all - every type of wellbeing is already saturated, so any marginal change in wellbeing makes no difference whatsoever. You can go around murdering people, and it will make no difference at all to how good the world is.

I also think that, structurally, this theory just doesn't match up with what really matters. There's a common objection to utilitarianism that says that it ignores the separateness of persons, and while that argument is complete nonsense when it comes to traditional versions of utilitarianism, which treat every individual's wellbeing as a distinct token of goodness that matters for the sake of that individual, and whose value isn't affected by others' wellbeing, the objection applies in full force against the Saturation view. Different individuals' wellbeing can't be treated separately here, because it turns out your wellbeing doesn't matter as much if it's a type others have already experienced. Wellbeing is no longer good for the sake of the individual experiencing it, but for the sake of making to total collection of pleasures in the world as diverse as possible.

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Hi Will,

I really enjoy your thinking around philosophy and this piece specifically. However, I fear the Saturation View makes a large incorrect assumption which causes many of its benefits to disappear.

You write that "There’s an upper bound on brightness that can never quite be reached" clarifying that "Total achievable value is bounded above". I agree that a genuine upper bound resolves issues of fanaticism and the repugnant conclusion. But what motivates a hard ceiling compared to a logarithm which is also concave with diminishing returns; but unbounded? With an unbounded function this means the problem of the repugnant conclusion returns: Instead of trading n barely happy lives for a utopia, we could now trade 10^n (or whatever the discount rate implies).

I think intuitions in base utilitarianism push against such a ceiling. Regarding your analogy, it would say the brightness limit is in the eye and not the territory. The Point of View of the Universe would delight in a new happy person existing, no matter how many similar minds there are already.

This isn't to endorse pure maximizing EV utilitarianism for population ethics however. I think moral uncertainty and risk aversion can resolve some of these problems more naturally. Having diversity of minds hedges for uncertainty given both what is good and the uncertainty around sentience.

These also resolve repugnant conclusion worries in particular. Different moral theories have different definitions of "a life barely worth living". It ranges from hedonistic utilitarianism's sum Planck second of epsilon utility to Mill's hours at the opera, to something even more demanding. If you have credence across many theories and are risk averse, then satisfying "a life barely worth living" leads to a dimensional and rich life; removing the repugnancy from the repugnant conclusion's Z world.

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